About the show

The Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD podcast, hosted by Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford, is for Human Resources and Organizational Development change-makers committed to bold work in an era that calls for the skills, values and partnership of these two disciplines. Bob and Joyce are former HR and OD C-suite executives who share their successes, failures, and hacks. They believe that it's an exciting time for this work and give specifics around acquisitions, policy nightmares, and grand moments. This podcast is to support your work and to take a moment to step away from the daily chaos. Come on in, grab a snack, and welcome!

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Episodes

  • Episode 212: 🎙️ From Dismissal to Discovery: Finding Purpose After a Layoff with Steve Jaffe

    October 20th, 2025  |  39 mins 50 secs
    business, csuite, executive, hr, human resources, leadership, od, organizational development, steve jaffe

    In today’s episode, Bob ‘n Joyce welcome Steve Jaffe, author of The Layoff Journey: From Dismissal to Discovery, for a powerful conversation about turning job loss into personal growth.

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    Episode 211: Safe Spaces in a Fractured World: Leading with Intention

    October 1st, 2025  |  22 mins 19 secs
    business, csuite, executive, hr, human resources, leadership, od, organizational development, safe spaces in chaos

    The world feels broken — and so do many workplaces. In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce explore how a systems-based approach to Organization Development can help leaders respond with intention.

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    Episode 210: Why Neurodivergent Leaders Hold Untapped Power: Insights from Rita Ramakrishnan, PCC, ACTC

    September 29th, 2025  |  45 mins 2 secs
    business, csuite, executive, hr, human resources, leadership, od, organizational development, rita ramakrishnan

    In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce sit down with Rita Ramakrishnan, executive coach and neurodivergent leadership expert. Rita shares her passion for working with neurodivergent leaders, along with her own story of being diagnosed with ADHD and autism as an adult.

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    Episode 209: Quit the Guilt Trips, Get Real Buy-In

    September 22nd, 2025  |  20 mins 11 secs
    annoying political solicitation, business, csuite, executive, hr, human resources, leadership, od, organizational development

    In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce call out those pushy political solicitations — the emails and texts that try to guilt or scare you into giving your time, talent, or money. Annoying? Absolutely. But there’s a bigger lesson here: organizations often use the same tactics when trying to win employee support.

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    Episode 208: The Power of Grit: Blue-Collar Heroes Among Us

    September 15th, 2025  |  17 mins 17 secs
    blue collar workers honored, business, csuite, executive, hr, human resources, leadership, od, organizational development

    In this Labor Day episode, Bob ’n Joyce shine a spotlight on the blue-collar heroes who keep our communities and organizations running. 0

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    Episode 207: Hard Lessons, Simple Rules: What Really Works in OD

    September 9th, 2025  |  29 mins 50 secs
    business, csuite, executive, hr, human resources, leadership, od, od rules of the road, organizational development

    In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce share the hard-earned principles that helped their OD work actually stick.

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    Episode 206: Resistance Isn’t the Enemy

    September 2nd, 2025  |  13 mins 34 secs
    business, csuite, executive, hr, human resources, leadership, od, organizational development, resistance

    In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce explore the surprising benefits of resistance to change.

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    Episode 205: Unleashing Energy Part 2: The Hidden Force in Leadership and Culture

    August 25th, 2025  |  21 mins
    business, csuite, energy revisited, executive, hr, human resources, leadership, od, organizational development

    In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce pick up where they left off in Episode 204, exploring the infectious power of energy.

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    Episode 204: The Power We Don’t See (But Feel Everywhere)

    August 18th, 2025  |  18 mins 37 secs
    business, csuite, executive, hr, human resources, leadership, od, omega institute, organizational development

    In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce tap into the invisible but undeniable power of energy.

  • Episode 203: Exploring Joyce’s Career Path: Twists, Turns, and Boyfriends

    August 11th, 2025  |  32 mins 16 secs
    business, csuite, executive, hr, human resources, joyce interview, leadership, od, organizational development

    In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce shine the spotlight on Joyce and her winding journey to becoming an OD expert.

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    Episode 202: Assessment Grit: Knowing Before Doing

    August 4th, 2025  |  26 mins 41 secs
    assessments, business, csuite, executive, hr, human resources, leadership, od, organizational development

    In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce dig into the underrated superpower of knowing before doing. Before charging ahead, what if we paused to truly assess what’s needed?

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    Episode 201: The Power of “I Want…”

    July 28th, 2025  |  22 mins 31 secs
    business, csuite, executive, hr, human resources, i want, leadership, od, organizational development

    In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce explore a simple yet powerful technique called “I want…”—a way to name our desires and aspirations out loud.

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    Episode 200: Episode 200 – Time to Reflect, Celebrate, and Appreciate

    July 21st, 2025  |  15 mins 43 secs
    #200, business, csuite, executive, hr, human resources, leadership, od, organizational development

    Today marks a major milestone—our 200th episode! Come join the celebration!

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    Episode 199: Thriving in Chaos: It's Happening to All of Us

    July 9th, 2025  |  18 mins 46 secs
    business, csuite, executive, hr, human resources, leadership, od, organizational development, thriving in chaos

    In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce dive into what it takes for organizations to stay grounded when chaos and uncertainty are no longer the exception—they’re the backdrop.

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    Episode 198: Michelle Griffin Ph.D.: Building a Business and a Life That Works

    July 2nd, 2025  |  48 mins
    business, csuite, executive, hr, human resources, leadership, michelle griffin, od, organizational development

    In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Michelle Griffin, CEO and founder of Griffin Resources—an entrepreneur who truly has the "right stuff."

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    Episode 197: 🎙 Resiliency Face-Off, Part 2: Spoiler—Ours Wins

    June 24th, 2025  |  32 mins 46 secs
    business, csuite, executive, hr, human resources, leadership, mit sloan resiliency, od, organizational development

    In this second part of our resiliency deep dive, Bob ‘n Joyce take a close look at MIT Sloan’s latest take on what makes a culture truly resilient.